i wonder how many jws r aware that candles have pagan origins as admitted by bishop newman(sp?
) in the 19th century?
should a faithfull jw have anything to do with candles therefore?
JWs don't use candles in ceremonies like weddings. They know they have pagan origins for warding off evil spirits. I know a sister who had candles at her wedding and before the elder that was giving the talk started, he took all of the candles away. He didn't even give her an explanation.
I don't think that candles in general bother dubs...only the way they can be used.
well, well , well ... guess what ... jws were at my door.
we talked for over an hour.
it has been about two years since i talked with a live jws as they did their door-to-door work ... yes, nbc dateline came up near the end of the conversation ... i could not let them get away without injecting that topic ... and when they gave the opening, i rammed it in .... first, has something happened to jws these day?
Amazing, you are AMAZING!!!
You have inspired me to make arguments such as this the next time JWs come to my door.
Quote: "Then the entire scheme to booby-trap Adam and Eve to pass along sin and death seems like a cruel joke so as to then propose a Government to solve the problems problems we would not have if God had simply designed each human to stand alone in the first place with respect to sin freewill and if humans cannot make such choices, as she said because only God has the right then the whole choice in the Garden of Eden was not a choice but merely a contest between God and Satan and we are the unwitting pawns"
I totally agree with this! I raised this argument with my mother shortly before I was DFd. I said, "If the Bible says that God never tests us - that only Satan does, then explain why God put the Tree in the Garden of Eden to begin with?" She didn't have an answer for me...she was completely without words. So I said, "I'll give YOU the answer - It was a test. A cruel joke between Jah and Satan...they were in on it together!" She looked at me so shocked and said, "Oh, you have the answer for everything don't you? You think you have it all figured out." I told her that I evidently did because she certainly didn't offer an explanation.
Four days after this conversation was the biggest, most explosive arguement I have EVER had with my mother. It was also our last.
I even asked the elders during my judicial meeting and they said that they couldn't answer any Bible questions or study with me. I was told that I'd have to come to the meetings regularly to get my questions answered. I guess that in the previous seven years of my life as a very active JW they had never covered that subject in the KH - what a waste! I told the elders (and my father), "Why would I want to come back to a religion that I think is wrong and where no one will answer my questions so I'll want to come back?"
I look forward to the next visit with the JWs....I plan to tell them that I'm skeptical of religion b/c of having just escaped a cult....and I'll carry on the conversation with them proving all the bad experiences I've had...just before they leave I'll tell them the name of the cult. I can't wait to see the look on their faces when I tell them it was Jehovah's Witnesses!
what's the silliest thing you ever heard a jw say?.
(besides, the possible, "anything they say is silly.
my personal favorite: an elder once said to me at a circuit assembly back in the eighties (and why i don't remember...maybe i was smirking): "you think the devil is weak?
I was at a door one day with a brother who was, shall we say 5 cans short of a six pack, when the householder asked him if he thought he was a good JW. The brother promptly and without shame answered, "I'm the best Jehovah's Witness in the religion."
Nuff Sed!
last evening my cell phone rang and it was a sister-in-law of mine who had left her jw husband (one of my older brothers) because he was molesting their daughters and the elders blamed her for not being an adequate wife.
she left and was df'd for it.
anyway, we have had correspondence for the past four or five years but never did we talk about the "private" matters.
I think that is Awesome! Be sure to tell her congrats that she can move on now.
The innocent face of the WTS has been lifted...the makeup has been removed for all the world to see the ZITS!!!
"...if there is a hell, I'll see you there." (NIN - Downward Spiral)
I'll be the one providing the fire.
satan is called the "father of the lie" because he told the very first lie to eve.. in the beginning, god told adam to go nuts and eat all the fruit except the fruit from the tree in the middle of the garden.
he said "but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die.
so then fast forward, eve was created and she's hanging out by the tree, talking to the serpent (satan) and satan says: "you will not die.
Hey Puffs,
I believe that most Christians consider her a myth. However, here are some good websites to try out:
http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/lilith.htm
http://www.geocities.com/druelh/life.html
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~humm/Topics/Lilith/
http://freeweb.econophone.ch/daimon/385630522X_2E.htm
http://www.webcom.com/~gnosis/lillith.html
Enjoy!!
"...if there is a hell, I'll see you there." (NIN - Downward Spiral)
I'll be the one providing the fire.
satan is called the "father of the lie" because he told the very first lie to eve.. in the beginning, god told adam to go nuts and eat all the fruit except the fruit from the tree in the middle of the garden.
he said "but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die.
so then fast forward, eve was created and she's hanging out by the tree, talking to the serpent (satan) and satan says: "you will not die.
Interesting thought, Jim. It could have been another person. Say for instance Lilith - Adam's first wife.
"...if there is a hell, I'll see you there." (NIN - Downward Spiral)
I'll be the one providing the fire.
may 15th watchtower 2002-i see where they say god has a body!!!!
as well as a spirit-didnt i learn as a jw he was only spirit no body-.
i guess the "body snatchers" must have returned the body--or do we have new light here??
Mouthy,
Please quote the part of the mag you are talking about. Inquiring minds want to know.
"...if there is a hell, I'll see you there." (NIN - Downward Spiral)
I'll be the one providing the fire.
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Good catch, Elsewhere! It shows that their progress goes backward.
Another question would be, why does it say 'No. of Volunteers: 0'? Every JW is a volunteer! They even say so in their own literature. What hypocrites!
"...if there is a hell, I'll see you there." (NIN - Downward Spiral)
I'll be the one providing the fire.
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Interesting. Thanks!
"...if there is a hell, I'll see you there." (NIN - Downward Spiral)
I'll be the one providing the fire.
the scripture below the image is written in dutch.
.
read the scripture in your native language and tell me what you think.
Guest77,
I think you may have read the wrong scripture. You are quoting 2 Tim 3:16, the one in the caption is 3:6. This scripture talks about sly men working their way into households.
I personally find this to be a very appropriate scenario for the WTS. It is exactly their tactic! They always encourage the flock to continue calling on homes of those who say they aren't interested. Why? Because perhaps their circumstances will have changed and they will be more receptive. I can't tell you how many Bible studies are started because a loved one died, or someone is going through a divorce, or a family member is ill. The JWs look for people in a vulnerable weakened state of mind -- a time when they are looking for God to support them. This is how they are successful in their work.
"...if there is a hell, I'll see you there." (NIN - Downward Spiral)
I'll be the one providing the fire.
